I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about fictional men this year. And watching them, in a mostly not creepy way. I’ve gone from a gal without celebrity crushes to a gal who follows C-drama actors on Instagram like a duck taking to water all because of a little drama on Netflix called The Untamed. I came upon it by accident, stopped in my scroll by an artist’s illustrative rendering of the main characters from a book/donghua called Heaven Official’s Blessing. I remember thinking this is very beautiful, whatever it is while I watched the donghua on Netflix. I Googled the author of the book the drama is based on and found this surprisingly glowing article from Vox. When the Netflix algorithm decided I’d be best served by watching The Untamed, a live-action drama by the same author next, I pressed play…and fell in love with the revelatory genre of danmei. Best described as a Chinese genre featuring two men falling in love amidst plot structures up to their eyeballs, danmei is comparable to Asia’s BL or Japan’s yaoi.
After watching The Untamed multiple times, I wanted to read the book, which was published online, like most of the genre, on jjwxc. Lucky for me, in 2021, a small press here in the US called Seven Seas Entertainment began to dedicate itself to printing all the top danmei novels in their official English translations. A rabbit hole was officially formed, and I dove in. Since then, I’ve been contemplating its hold on me. And not just on me, but everyone in its massive global fandom. I had questions. What was this captivating genre? Why was it different from the other queer love stories I enjoyed by American and English authors? Answering this last question has been something of a project for me these past several months, and as a writer, I can’t help looking at it from the perspective of someone desperate to understand both the compelling nature of male/male romance, and why the heck the stories themselves are so good.
It should be noted, I’m not a shipper. I’ve never in my life wished for two band members or friends or costars to get together. I may lack imagination but, in my opinion, who cares? I’d terribly annoyed if Mike Wheeler suddenly decided to dump Eleven for Will Byers. Not for any reason other than it would be so out of character. But the world of fan art disagrees. Whether a straight ship or a queer ship, it means little to me. Still, in my foray into danmei fandoms, I’ve noticed something that does spark my curiosity. Many female humans are obsessed with gay boys in love. And not in a that’s cute way that anyone would be with anyone in love, but in the way that has them buying merch at BTS levels, cosplaying all over the world, and running successful and surprisingly entertaining YouTube channels devoted to a single danmei author (Kicktor, I’m looking at you). I needed to better understand, because I was just as obsessed as everyone else. And still am. And it turns out the answers to both, why are these love stories so compelling and why are the plots so good, are terribly simple.
Plotwise, things are constructed from often speculative or historical tropes and in gorgeous settings and these writers are not just famous for creating pretty boys in slow burns. These women (danmei is overwhelmingly written by women) are not messing around and provide lushly layered stories that contain positively cinematic twists and turns. Using structures less common in the west but very common, like the four-act, in Asian literature and performance, these stories stand out from our Western heroes’ journeys by featuring a combination of action and character development at the heart of the stories, using twists and revelations as climaxes. And the magic lies here: to this structure, they add fantastic conflict. This is what, as a K and C-drama lover, I think Asia does so well—crafting stories in four acts, layering twist after satisfying twist, while pulling in conflict in a way that we Westerners are very familiar with.
The first time I finished The Untamed, I sat there stunned and thought about how I’d never experienced a plot like that. I was giddy over the way it all unfolded. Once I read the book the live action drama is based on (The Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation by Mo Xiang Tong Xiu), I realized I’d finally found a genre and type of storytelling that I loved. It’s led not just to my exploration of danmei, but a broad study of Asian literature and film that’s being helped along by my status as an MFA student in Creative Writing. It’s the plots, guys, the plots. I can’t express how satisfying they are.
Impossible to separate from the lush plots are the love stories, which when I first started to poke around on internet forums, I noticed involve rabid levels of obsession. And not just among romance readers. And as an all-genre reader myself, including romance, I had to admit I’d never been quite so captivated by male/male love stories, either (excepting Alexis Hall’s books, which iykyk). So, who are these fictional men and why do I love them beyond reason? Here’s the simple answer. In a male/male or female/female romance, the playing field is level. Any remotely tricky societal power dynamics and patriarchal constructs that play out in female/male romantic relationships are blissfully absent. The lovers are true equals. This is quietly but mightily captivating, especially when witnessed between two men. For a woman, which I am, and a woman whose sexuality involves attraction to men, there is something delightful in being able to identify with two male protagonists in love. There’s a sense of equality I’ll never experience otherwise.
I may sound like I’m speaking for women with some kind of authoritativeness, but I’m not. I’ve just mulled this over for a good while and am now clear that in my personal experience, the equal-footed dynamics of same-sex romance in the danmei genre are a big part of creating a cultural phenomenon out of it. I think for a certain type of female reader, there’s a relief, an ability to go all-in, that comes from who knows where. I love a good straight romance, but I’ve never felt as comfortable there as I do with the gays. For reasons that could be academically interesting to probe deeper into than just the felt sense of equality, I identify best with gay men in fiction written by women, and I’m not alone. If I’m any indication some women, regardless of sexual orientation, are happily comfortable on this kind of level playing field. I’m grateful there’s such a spectacular genre for us.
For me, this all comes together in a prefect storm of longing and pining mastery (my catnip, bread and butter, and secret sauce) buoyed up by plot intricacies that feel like they’re driven by deep character motivations. Our danmei couples usually have to weather trauma so intense that the best authors use it to transform the characters’ psyches into not only sympathetic characterization, but also sturdy vehicles for romantic tension. Keep in mind I have to read the English translations of all these novels, and there’s guaranteed to be something lost from the original Chinese. There’s a testament in there somewhere to both the skills of high quality translation teams and to the original material. Still, the extreme pining, the longing, the banter, and the romances formed on a level playing field of brotherhood plus something extra translate just fine.
When it comes to spice levels, it depends on the author. MXTX’s Heaven Official’s Blessing isn’t in the same sexual universe as Meatbun’s 2ha. And if you want realism in this aspect, you’re better off with other BL genres or Western authors’ depictions, for the most part, although I’ve only read a slice of what the genre has to offer since I can’t read Chinese.
I’m not only a fan of danmei novels and the donghuas and television adaptations made from them, but of Chinese dramas in general, and this is just personal taste. Why I love them is a lot about the things I’ve mentioned, the intersection of a very particular kind of romance plus unique and spectacular plotting. But there’s also a third factor that’s harder to describe. It’s clearly cultural. As an American, I’m no stranger to patriarchal misogyny, I mean, is anyone in this world? But I’ve lived half a lifetime in culture that feels adrift from spirituality, unmoored in having nothing to support the culture’s need for meaning and connection beyond indoctrinatized religion. That’s a big, empty space filled by any number of things, including but more than just sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Asian cultures, in all their various nuances and complexities, have several ages of layered spiritual foundation that goes beyond religious dogma. This seeps out everywhere from themes and tropes to deeply held ethics of manners and respect hierarchies and and endless penchant by its authors to play out the Japanese concept of mono no aware in extremely satisfying layers of moral grayness across the board. This type of characterization ability is glaringly absent in the overall culture of the Western world and has to be dug for.
For me, when I read a fantastic danmei novel like Priest’s Silent Reading or Tan Jiuching’s Qiang Jin Jiu, I’m lost in worlds that truly feel like fantasy, in romances that feel brutally and tenderly alive, and in story structures that none of the big five publishing houses would want to touch but that feel so much more satisfying than the often seen three act structure used in modern Western writing (how that structure mirrors a patriarchal ‘foreplay, fucking, orgasm, and quickly fall asleep’ perspective on sex I’ll save for another time). In danmei, the pacing, the length (a million words, no problem!), the tropes, the style and voice, are all very different from most of what’s being written in the cultural milieu of the West.
This is so refreshing. If a certain kind of woman identifies best with either m/m romance or m/f romance where the female lead has more masculine qualities, the danmei genre offers her so much in the way of structuring romance within literal battlegrounds in ways so complex it can make even a wonderful non-three-act series like Sarah J. Maas’s Throne of Glass seem like child’s play. That these stories are being written by Chinese women in their twenties and thirties is remarkable. That they’re being written for other women and are so far from whatever the common understanding of “chick-lit” is…makes them a gift that keeps on giving.
I think many women long for this level romantic playing field, we long to see men being soft with each other (whether romantic or not), and we really long to get lost in extremely complex fantasy worlds that aren’t framed by a Tolkein or Sanderson or Martin-esque male lens. If you’re a woman looking for the best in fantasy, you’ll definitely look to Asia at some point, and if you’re lucky, you’ll fall into the same danmei rabbit hole I did.

3 responses to “Things I Think About: The danmei genre and why its particular take on male/male romance is so appealing to women”
Hi Zephyr,
This post is refreshing. Thank you for the provoking thoughts placed here. Your words had me reflecting on a conversation I had the other day. I don’t wish to steal the limelight away from the emphasis of and essence of your post on underscoring and exploring how other women may feel reading a gay romance with two men falling in love. I do wish to make a tangent to it and wonder if there may be some parallel. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter.
I was speaking with a dear friend of mine about there not being enough, primarily cis-het-males, willing to be visible and be interviewed for my Mental health podcast. For every 30 women, I would be lucky to have at least 3 people identifying as men, reach out and be pre-screened to come on to the podcast. Perhaps, out of the 3, 1 would come on to give an interview.
Perhaps, it is a lack of embracing a certain vulnerability, particularly with cis-het-men writing straight romance novels, that makes the novels themselves more challenging to feel comfortable to fully enjoy for a certain type of female reader. I would care to hear more about this as I do write romance into my SFF novellas and novels. Typically, romance is not the genre I go into but I do have many lead, female LGBTQ characters (not to spoil anything) and would like to hear your opinion in what may engage female readers more (higher percentage of female readers on average) to go all-in. Again, maybe this is all just a tangent. Thanks for sharing and reflecting with the WordPress community.
-James
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Hi James! Thank you so much for your thoughtful response! I took such a tangent on this one, but romance and love are endlessly fascinating topics for me, as are the fandoms that inspired me to write on this topic in the first place.
Here I come with my opinions!
A lot of this comes down to The Male Gaze. This social construct powers the media in nearly every Western country and will scream out at a woman as she tries to read a story. There’s a certain kind of focus in that Male Gaze, a construct of a woman that most women don’t want anywhere near their love stories. Men who can write female characters, particularly in sexual and romantic situations, without using it are gold.
This Gaze is very different from the viewpoint of any individual man, although many individual men have adopted it. It just comes naturally with any sort of misogyny. Why? Who knows. It’s more than I want to think about. But among many other reasons, the total absence of The Male Gaze makes things, well, better. This is very different from the kind of male gaze some of us actually want.
If a man can write without The Male Gaze, and can show that they understand women/the woman they’re writing, I don’t think most women would find anything amiss. If they can also craft a compelling love story, well, they’re the next John Green or Nicholas Sparks (both writers I do not enjoy in any way whatsoever, go figure). There are some great love stories written by men in literary fiction, ones everyone knows like Love in the Time of Cholera or Anna Karenina, but I’m really not familiar with many in genre fiction. Recs, anyone???
For a male writer to write a woman that feels like a woman to female readers, I think it comes down to knowing women, on both an individual level and as a group. And by extension, truly understanding the dynamics of romance. Can straight men do that? Sure! And it’s not just about creating a realistic woman, it’s about creating a man women want to read. This is harder for men to do than female authors, and I think is a key to the whole thing.
I don’t think it matters much whether a male writer likes women, although it’s not too appealing to read female characters built by men who obviously don’t. A female character constructed by a writer who clearly doesn’t like women can be compelling and can feel real.
One of my very favorite romance writers is male, and he writes mostly m/m but also queer m/f and he’s good a both, but he’s better at getting deeply emotional with his male characters.
I don’t read a lot of novels in the romance genre, but I ravenously devour love stories across all media – novels, comics, television. Most are written by women. When you take a single scene and break it down, the places where a man and a woman’s attention linger are likely to be different. Not always, but in general. So these love stories are written for anyone, but have mostly female readers.
This next bit might be useful? As a female love story readers, we’re drawn to tension between vulnerability and misperception, one of which is a key word you used in your comment! Have a handle on that vulnerability, use misperception well, and you can portray a gal in love in a way that shows up in our most beloved love stories.
In my opinion, if anyone wants to know how to write the best love stories, look to Asian TV dramas with great female leads and romance-heavy plotlines. Those writers have super powers. Watch a couple of the top rated dramas that women swoon over and you’ll have a crash course in romance!
Simple answer: To engage female readers, read/watch a good cross-section of women’s most beloved love stories (in your genre and in contemporary) and take copious notes. Then put it into practice!
There are so many possible references, here are just a few genre-specific ones:
Recs for excellent female characters in SFF:
Violet Made of Thorns, Gina Chen (anti-romance fantasy, excellent female protagonist)
The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet, Becky Chambers
This is How You Lose the Time War, Amal El-Mohtar & Max Gladstone (sapphic romantic sci-fi, written by a man/woman team)
Recs for the most beloved male leads in SFF:
Rhys in The ACOTAR series by Sarah J. Maas
Hua Cheng Heaven Official’s Blessing by Mo Xiang Tong Xiu
Sam Vimes in Terry Pratchett’s Discworld (not exactly romance but wow, can Pratchett write three words about love and it be devastating!)
James Fraser in Outlander by Diana Gabaldon
Recs for k-dramas:
Goblin (SFF)
Crash Landing on You (contemporary)
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Fascinating post and well written, while I have not personally read a danmei novel, I would read it for the plots (as you said they are amazing). I love exploring writers who write different from me (I am speculative dystopian dark fantasy writer). I look forward to reading more of your posts moving forward.
-James
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